Comments on: Evidence: Creationists Are Doing It Wrong http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/ Society / Law / Politics / Family - beyond belief. Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:33:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Skeptical Blog Anthology  —  Seventy-​​Five Entries And More Needed! | Young Australian Skeptics http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1989 Skeptical Blog Anthology  —  Seventy-​​Five Entries And More Needed! | Young Australian Skeptics Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:27:09 +0000 http://suburbanpanic.com/?p=2872#comment-1989 [...] Power Wrong Stuff and Nonsense — Chiropractic “For Sceptics Only” Suburban Panic — Evidence: Creationists are doing it wrong Tech Republic — Ten Habits of Superstitious Users The Saga of Runolfr — Zentra Happy [...] [...] Power Wrong Stuff and Nonsense — Chiropractic “For Sceptics Only” Suburban Panic — Evidence: Creationists are doing it wrong Tech Republic — Ten Habits of Superstitious Users The Saga of Runolfr — Zentra Happy [...]

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]]> By: exarch http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1672 exarch Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:24:20 +0000 http://suburbanpanic.com/?p=2872#comment-1672 Some of them have to know that what they're telling the flock is nothing but a pack of lies. And they probably excuse their actions under the guise of "doing the right thing". Still, that's what really makes <i>me</i> angry. They're making people believe BS and even pat themselves on the back for doing a good job. Then if you to correct their lies and, FSM forbid, try educate the people who are now dumber for having listened to it, <i>you</i> are accused of lying and making shit up. Never mind the truth, it's not important. Only the bible is. Some of them have to know that what they’re telling the flock is nothing but a pack of lies.
And they probably excuse their actions under the guise of “doing the right thing”.

Still, that’s what really makes me angry. They’re making people believe BS and even pat themselves on the back for doing a good job. Then if you to correct their lies and, FSM forbid, try educate the people who are now dumber for having listened to it, you are accused of lying and making shit up. Never mind the truth, it’s not important. Only the bible is.

]]> By: Oskar Kennedy http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1667 Oskar Kennedy Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:14:47 +0000 http://suburbanpanic.com/?p=2872#comment-1667 I figure that they'll keep believing their junk, and I'll keep making fun of them. They'll be smug in their certainty, and I'll feel slightly less outraged. It's a simple dance, and it's more fun the more people we get to join in. =) It's a good point you make, that evolution did replace a previous paradigm of creation. And I think I'd be less bothered by it if they'd just admit that they don't have (or need) any evidence for their belief. If they were straightforward about the fact that it's all a faith-based initiative, I could handle that. But when they make evidentiary claims that are so basic and so wrong that an intellectual lightweight like myself can understand how bad they are (and can illustrate their mistakes with an explanation from TV), then I get worked up. Not that it will change anything, but blogging about it is at least cathartic for me. =) I figure that they’ll keep believing their junk, and I’ll keep making fun of them. They’ll be smug in their certainty, and I’ll feel slightly less outraged. It’s a simple dance, and it’s more fun the more people we get to join in. =)

It’s a good point you make, that evolution did replace a previous paradigm of creation. And I think I’d be less bothered by it if they’d just admit that they don’t have (or need) any evidence for their belief. If they were straightforward about the fact that it’s all a faith-based initiative, I could handle that. But when they make evidentiary claims that are so basic and so wrong that an intellectual lightweight like myself can understand how bad they are (and can illustrate their mistakes with an explanation from TV), then I get worked up. Not that it will change anything, but blogging about it is at least cathartic for me. =)

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]]> By: Someone Explains This « Living Better Skeptically http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1664 Someone Explains This « Living Better Skeptically Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:15:39 +0000 http://suburbanpanic.com/?p=2872#comment-1664 [...] 9, 2009 · No Comments I’ve been saying <a href=http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/>this</a> since the first time I heard the “Strengths and weaknesses” argument [...] [...] 9, 2009 · No Comments I’ve been saying <a href=http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/>this</a> since the first time I heard the “Strengths and weaknesses” argument [...]

]]> By: Eliot http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1663 Eliot Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:43:19 +0000 http://suburbanpanic.com/?p=2872#comment-1663 It's a good point but you are not considering where the creationists are coming from. Not that you really should I'd just like to play Devil's Advocate for second. To them creation was the proven theory (the husband in your case). For centuries they knew that the husband killed the ape then all of a sudden out of nowhere came this guy named Darwin with a new suspect. Instead of looking at the evidence and deciding who is guilty based on that they, rather, claim that Darwin's suspect must be innocent because they've known for centuries that the husband did it. To them knocking down Evolution defaults the beliefs back to where they used to be. Obviously this is not how science works and it's something that they fundamentally don't understand, and I wouldn't hold your breath for the day they might. It’s a good point but you are not considering where the creationists are coming from. Not that you really should I’d just like to play Devil’s Advocate for second. To them creation was the proven theory (the husband in your case). For centuries they knew that the husband killed the ape then all of a sudden out of nowhere came this guy named Darwin with a new suspect. Instead of looking at the evidence and deciding who is guilty based on that they, rather, claim that Darwin’s suspect must be innocent because they’ve known for centuries that the husband did it. To them knocking down Evolution defaults the beliefs back to where they used to be. Obviously this is not how science works and it’s something that they fundamentally don’t understand, and I wouldn’t hold your breath for the day they might.

]]> By: Oskar Kennedy http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1662 Oskar Kennedy Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:14:54 +0000 http://suburbanpanic.com/?p=2872#comment-1662 Faith triumphs over reason? It can't be true! I refuse to believe it. =) Hm. It looks like we've reached the limit of comment nesting. <a href="http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/#comment-1659" rel="nofollow">Exarch</a>, this one was for you. Faith triumphs over reason? It can’t be true! I refuse to believe it. =)

Hm. It looks like we’ve reached the limit of comment nesting. Exarch, this one was for you.

]]> By: Oskar Kennedy http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1661 Oskar Kennedy Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:11:41 +0000 http://suburbanpanic.com/?p=2872#comment-1661 Yeah, I don't harbor any illusions of changing anybody's mind. I'm sure that they see their position as perfectly reasonable, since they're getting it direct from a deity, or at least from a person who claims to speak for the deity. "God told me so" trumps evidence, or lack thereof. =) Yeah, I don’t harbor any illusions of changing anybody’s mind. I’m sure that they see their position as perfectly reasonable, since they’re getting it direct from a deity, or at least from a person who claims to speak for the deity. “God told me so” trumps evidence, or lack thereof. =)

]]> By: mikespeir http://suburbanpanic.com/2009/04/06/evidence-creationists-are-doing-it-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-1660 mikespeir Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:30:30 +0000 http://suburbanpanic.com/?p=2872#comment-1660 As an ex-Creationist, I was struck by something as I was reading this. It occurred to me that, as perfectly reasonable as the point made is, that's not what the believer would likely take away from the post. He would be thinking, "Ah, see? They're trying to hedge their bets. Evolution's on the way out and they know it. They're knocking together a preemptive excuse for still not believing even after it's been demolished." It's a great post, but sometimes I have these flashbacks.... As an ex-Creationist, I was struck by something as I was reading this. It occurred to me that, as perfectly reasonable as the point made is, that’s not what the believer would likely take away from the post. He would be thinking, “Ah, see? They’re trying to hedge their bets. Evolution’s on the way out and they know it. They’re knocking together a preemptive excuse for still not believing even after it’s been demolished.”

It’s a great post, but sometimes I have these flashbacks….

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